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POOP

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[Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« on: February 21, 2014, 09:39:48 am »
As the title says, since it's open now.

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2014, 10:37:22 pm »
AMD VCE support would be nice too.
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De-M-oN

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2014, 01:09:25 am »
Why is at the moment such a high wave of people who want to record directly lossy at recording ._. (which is always worse quality vs filesize tradeoff if you do lossy encoding while recording...)
and most of you even want to edit the video later and you would re-encode again into another lossy format....

damn whats going on people?

ShamisOMally

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2014, 10:34:45 pm »
Why is at the moment such a high wave of people who want to record directly lossy at recording ._. (which is always worse quality vs filesize tradeoff if you do lossy encoding while recording...)
and most of you even want to edit the video later and you would re-encode again into another lossy format....

damn whats going on people?

Maybe you should stop being a colossal fricken dick demon and just let people use the codecs they want

Its amazing, you are literally the console fanboy of codecs on this forum, you only exist here on the forums to trash talk anybody who wants to use anything than the codecs you like

You need your head checked, severely

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2014, 02:19:06 am »
Thats a reasonable technical thing to recommend recording in lossless and compressing to lossy later. I told you that often enough and this has nothing to do with a matter of taste.

It is not trash to recommend people to do record lossless. There are lots of people who even dont know that recording lossless is better method. at letsplay forum many people were very thankful that their quality vs filesize got improved as we told them to do the recording lossless.
editing of lossless material is way faster as well.

ShamisOMally

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2014, 05:43:14 am »
NOBODY CARES!

NOBODY CARES IF YOUR CODEC IS LOSSLESS OR WHATEVER!

THIS THREAD WAS ASKING ABOUT NVENC AND AMD VCE HARDWARE SUPPORT AND IF IT WOULD GET INTO DXTORY, AND THE ONLY REASON YOU JOINED THIS THREAD WAS TO INSULT THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR IT!

Poop and Tupex, post in this forum thread along with the rest of us, we're all tired of Demon trolling/insulting other users here http://forum.exkode.com/index.php?topic=711.0

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2014, 05:52:51 am »
lots of people actually do care, but how said dont know it better. How said - lots of people were very thankful for clearing them up, that recording directly at lossy method isnt a good idea for maintain quality and filesize.

If I recommend users not to do this, this has nothing to do with trolling neither is it insulting.

Just a recommendation to not use it

And I wonder about the at the moment high wave of people who tends to use such methods. Maybe its because of shadowplay or such. I dont know.
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If he still wants to use the lossy recording - then ok. He can say that.

The problem I had with you shamis is: You denied the facts that it is a better method for maintain quality vs filesize at finalized encode and quality outcome at youtube. You even discussed it is wrong and came with absolutely wrong things like youtube codes audio to mp3 and such.

If you would've just said, you want to record in lossy also with the disadvantages it has, because of hdd space saving - ok. no problem. Just say it.

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2014, 06:48:38 am »
Why do you feel the need to go into forum threads that do NOT deal with lagarith lossless to tell people not to use the codecs they want to use?

What is the point of Dxtory allowing any codec then? That's the main feature of the program, to allow custom codecs.

But nah, to you, you want it to have Lagarith Lossless and ONLY that codec.

"If I recommend users not to do this, this has nothing to do with trolling neither is it insulting."

No, you CRAP on users who want to use something else, you tell them its terrible, you tell them not to use it, you go "God people are stupid" etc for not using lagi codec etc.

You are a complete and utter chode. If somebody wants to use x264, LET THEM USE IT, if you feel the "need" to tell these people that lagi is better, do so in a way where you don't come off sounding like a douche like:

"Why is at the moment such a high wave of people who want to record directly lossy at recording ._. (which is always worse quality vs filesize tradeoff if you do lossy encoding while recording...)
and most of you even want to edit the video later and you would re-encode again into another lossy format....

damn whats going on people?"

AND:

"right. It has a sense to record in lossless.." -TRANSLATION- "That's because I think Lagi lossless is superior, which works great with .avi codec, so don't let people be able to use .mp4 container because In my mind I believe "Dxtory only uses .avi because I think it works best with lagi lossless so it has the right sense to only allow .avi because I demand that people use lagi lossless codec"

THIS is why everyone dislikes you Demon, you don't "Recommend", you DEMAND people use Lagi lossless, and you crap all over everyone who doesn't
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 06:55:04 am by ShamisOMally »

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2014, 07:11:16 am »
Oh yeah, youtube doesn't use .mp3 right? RIGHT?



HUH, ODD, I WONDER WHY ITS USING A .mp3 CONTAINER?

De-M-oN

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2014, 07:22:46 am »
either you're converting the audio stream or you download the 240p audio.

http://abload.de/img/unbenannt47eksw5.png
http://abload.de/img/unbenannt48ews6h.png

Jdownloader just downloads them. no conversion.

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2014, 07:27:18 am »
All I know is it uses .mp3, and some of my older youtube files from 5-6 months ago also use .mp3 codec for 1080p footage etc, but when I check the files today by downloading them again they're now .aac codec

I admit I'm wrong on this because now I can't get files with .mp3 audio, even though I have lots and lots and lots of youtube videos where they do have .mp3 audio I've collected over the years. Youtube could be re-encoding its file database, who knows, I got no clue.

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2014, 07:30:03 am »
How old are these videos.

I have videos of 2010 which are AAC coded as well.

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2014, 08:28:22 am »
There are times when quality doesn't matter much but performance and file size does. That's when NVENC and VCE would be handy. NVENC quality isn't good but in many situations it does the job. Lossless recording isn't practical if you want record x hours (and in those cases the quality would be enough).

However, h.264 and AVI container is match made in hell so MP4 container support would be vital too though that would pretty much mean built in AAC support would be needed (ACM AAC encoder is basically no go). Dxtory should probably move to media foundation encoders. Another container options would be .ts (for PCM audio and h.264 since AFAIK MP4 container and PCM audio is no go) and matroska.

At the moment NVIDIA ShadowPlay is nice option but it totally butchers the sound and there's no option for higher bit rate audio. It's handy because it causes basically zero performance hit. Quality is not very good but that's not the point. I use lossless RGB codec (utvideo) when I need absolutely the best quality.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 08:32:42 am by Tup3x »
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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2014, 08:32:55 am »
You could use OBS ( https://obsproject.com/ ) for this.

Supports x264, supports NVEnc, supports quicksync, supports mp4 container and aac audio.

So if you so highly want this - maybe this is an alternative for you.

ShamisOMally

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Re: [Request] NVEnc support in the future?
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2014, 10:13:39 am »
Kinda defeats the purpose of Dxtory if you're using another product to capture game footage but thanks for telling him about it
« Last Edit: April 09, 2014, 10:14:12 am by ShamisOMally »